This isn’t the first time you’ve threatened to leave the ANC, is it?
We’ve never really threatened to leave.
What else does it mean when the SACP says it will evaluate its role in the 2026 elections?
We have discussed this matter of our role in the elections, but in the context of the reconfiguration of the alliance. But now the ANC is not serious about that process, as we can see by its flirtations with parties of the right.
Does this mean you’ll campaign against the ANC and GNU?
We have no GNU partnership. That’s a political deal between ANC political elites and the elites of the right led by the DA.
Will you be campaigning against this political deal?
We will, certainly, depending on the form of political processes in the elections take a different position.
Do you want to see the end of constitutional democracy in South Africa?
No. We fought for it. But this constitutional democracy has been hijacked by capital in collusion with the political elite
Wouldn’t ending the GNU be the end of constitutional democracy in SA?
No. In what way does the GNU represent constitutional democracy?
In a bigger way than parties outside the GNU that you want the ANC to align with do?
What you’re trying to say is if the ANC doesn’t align with the DA it’s an unconstitutional process. The ANC took a political decision to align with forces of the right. Other coalitions were possible, but the ANC decided to go this route.
The route of constitutional democracy?
That’s an incorrect lie. The constitutional form of democracy was the vote. Consequent to that, whatever the voters’ parties ... why are these parties participating in parliament if they’re unconstitutional?
Hasn’t the MK Party in parliament made its anti-constitutional intentions very clear?
Why are they still in parliament? Does that make parliament unconstitutional?
Didn’t the MKP’s parliamentary leader, former judge John Hlophe, say they’d immediately repeal our democratic constitution?
It’s only a 15% party, it has no power, it has just expressed its intentions.
Exactly. Isn’t that why having them in the GNU instead of the DA would mean the end of our constitutional democracy?
No, I disagree with that completely. It creates an impression that without the DA there is no democracy in South Africa, which is completely incorrect
Without the DA, how could the ANC govern unless in alliance with the MKP?
I don’t agree with your articulation of the MK Party, but there are other parties the ANC can establish government with. Outside the GNU doesn’t necessarily mean unconstitutional.
Isn’t it hypocritical to denounce the GNU when your senior members are sitting in the GNU cabinet?
We have no-one accountable to us in the GNU. Accountability of ministers is through the channels of the ANC
What do you say about polls showing the ANC’s popularity is up sharply because of the GNU?
We wish them well, if the ANC gets more popular for embarking on a process of recolonisation.
By rejecting a process getting such broad public support aren’t you condemning yourselves to total irrelevance?
Never. There’s no way the SACP will ever become irrelevant.
Would you like to comment on this article?
Sign up (it's quick and free) or sign in now.
Please read our Comment Policy before commenting.